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    4 month old pygmy brumating already.

    Hi folks,

    We have 2 pygmies: both 4 to 5 months old. One is smashing 15-20 small crickets a day and getting big, but the other is not so big and has been buried under a log asleep for the last 3 days.

    They are in separate tanks due to bad behaviour when together, but temps/brightness are similar for each.

    I'm wondering, should I leave it be and start knocking back daylight hours and temps, or is it too young so keep the tank environment warm and light to see if it comes back out?

    Thanks!

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    It could be the change in weather triggering an urge to brumate, though it could also be caused by a subtle difference between the setup of the two enclosures.
    You could try swapping the dragons between the enclosures, though there's a chance it might unsettle them a bit.

    I'm curious, was it the smaller dragon that was moved to the new enclosure? A smaller dragon that's been picked on may not settle into a new environments as easily, so generally it's best to remove the more dominant individual.

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    Being their first winter it is advised 2 try as much as possible 2 keep them awake during brumation period, but sometimes you can't stop them.

    I live in Sydney also ( well lower blue mountains ) and my Pygmy has already gone into brumation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Penguin View Post
    ... was it the smaller dragon that was moved to the new enclosure?
    They were about the same size when the move happened about 4 weeks ago, but now it is definitely smaller. The new enclosure top mesh was more dense, thus blocking light, so I added more light to compensate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Penguin View Post
    ... it's best to remove the more dominant individual.
    Yes, the aggressive one (now smaller and brumating) was moved as punishment.

    So it seems the move was great for the one being attacked because it has fully thrived since then. Not so the aggressor.

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    you would be better off putting the light inside the house as mesh can cut up to 80% of UV depending on size of mesh
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    The mesh will be sucking up a lot of heat as well, it may be a bit cooler in the enclosure than you suspect. Have you checked the temperature in the enclosure, there are clues suggesting it's a bit low.
    The dominant dragon's growth rate slowed after being moved the new enclosure, the first indicator that there may be some kind of issue. Wanting to sleep all the time is pointing to the same issue.

    One solution is to cut a hole in the mesh bellow each of the lights, not forgetting to reduce the wattage of the heat globe at the same time as the current one may be too hot once the mesh is gone.

    Have a look at this post for an indication of how much difference cutting a hole can make.
    http://www.australianbeardies.net/fo...-temps-too-low

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Penguin View Post
    Have you checked the temperature in the enclosure, there are clues suggesting it's a bit low.
    The dominant dragon's growth rate slowed after being moved the new enclosure, the first indicator that there may be some kind of issue. Wanting to sleep all the time is pointing to the same issue.
    Even though the basking spot in both tanks is typically high 30's and the light looks the same intensity everything you say makes sense.

    So, increasing light output and heat will bring it back out? Or should I leave it as is while it's sleeping and increase it when we see it again?

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boop View Post
    Even though the basking spot in both tanks is typically high 30's and the light looks the same intensity everything you say makes sense.

    So, increasing light output and heat will bring it back out? Or should I leave it as is while it's sleeping and increase it when we see it again?

    Thanks again.
    Let nature be your guide as to which order is correct.

    The lizard always waits for the sun.
    The sun never waits for the lizard.

    In other words, if you wait for the beardie to come out first, you may be waiting a long time.

    Do you have a means of measuring the temperature accurately? Probe thermostats can be a couple of degrees out in either direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearded Penguin View Post
    Probe thermostats can be a couple of degrees out in either direction.
    Except when the probe is sitting under a basking spot light, then it can be out by a lot

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    It's this dual sensor: http://www.reptileone.com.au/component/k2/46593

    Nonetheless, will make some adjustments today and advise. Thanks so far!

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