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    Oh Wise 1n's ... Please guide this newb

    Hi all,

    I'm Looking for some help in regards to brumation, I have read through all of the Threads in this section but I'm still unsure and concerned for my dragon.

    My guy is 15 months old, I'm unsure of his weight exactly but he has a healthy condition. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed his appetite wasn't as strong and he wasn't as active and was tending to stay more to the cooler end of his enclosure, the last 5 days now he has been in his cave and has buried himself into his sand substrate, I have continued to add his veggie bowl in everyday and added his water bowl in case he wants to come out for a drink but he has not attempted to come out or even move.
    I have continued with normal lighting hours UVB and Heat ( 12hr daylight ) and temps are 40-41 in basking spot, 30-32 ambient warm end, 24-26 cooler end 35% humidity.

    So my concerns are as follows : I am not sure of his weight, he also had 4 woodies for his last meal which was just under a week ago and he has not pooped since he went into his hide.

    I kept lighting on in hopes he would come out and poop, I know there is no point having lighting going everyday if he is buried into his cave and having lighting going can stimulate him which can deplete his energy stores while he is trying to brumate.

    So should I try take him out and stimulate him into pooping, weigh him at the same time and then put him back and start to decrease lighting for the next couple of days and then go lights out by the weekend or just leave him ????

    Although he hasn't moved he does open up 1 sleepy eye when I open his enclosure but if I go anywhere near him he shuts his eyes, as this is my first beardie and I have only had him for 4 months and also my first time experiencing brumation I am worried and unsure what to do,

    If anyone could guide me I would be very grateful, thank you .

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    Here is a pic of the sleeping beauty....
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    I wouldn't be concerned with his weight , as long as he is looking health.
    make him a warm bath and sit him in it for a little while , seems to be the best method to get the bowels moving
    you could cut back heat and lighting by a couple of hours , I generally like to leave all going until they are asleep for at least week or 2
    I had 2 snooze last week then came out for Sunday /Monday but have disappeared again today .Both took a little water but no food
    I will let them snooze for another week if they don't move its lights out

    Don't be overly concerned , they are pretty hardy.

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    Thanks for your reply grubandk.. I have heard that a warm bath does help to move the bowels but I have also heard that's its a recipe for an infection ( R I ),
    this is the bit I'm concerned about, I don't want to leave food in his gut as Iv'e read it can go rotten inside him, but I also don't want to bathe him for fear of an R I.
    He generally poops after handling or activity, but I also am afraid to awaken the little beast when he is in such a deep sleep. To Poo or not to Poo that is the question !!!!
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    Constant baths are risky, one or two to get a poop out isn't going to cause harm.

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    I understand your fear of RI but a short warm bath wont bring this on,but it might bring on a faecal delight.
    As for the food going rotten inside, it has always been a worry for keepers like us, but a couple of years ago I had a dragon not defecate until after brumation and everything was fine. I thought everyone had evacuated but somehow this one slipped by and was none the worse for holding on for the winter season.
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    Looks like a short warm bath tomorrow it is.... after said bath and hopeful poo should I place him on his basking spot and let him decided if he wants to go back into his cave, or just place him back in his cave?

    Also to avoid this same predicament should I remove his veggie bowl and wait a day to see if he goes back into brumation ?

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    Put him on his log, remove his cave and offer more veg, also up his heat and see how that goes
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    So today I gave him a warm bath and a bit of handling shortly followed by a big Fecal delight !!!

    I removed his cave, upped his heat, and offered veg. He seemed very keen with the veggies and ate mostly squash and few pieces of carrot. I have a feeling he was looking for some bugs as he was very keen when I was wiggling his veggie's.

    If he is still active tomorrow should I offer some woodies ???

    So I also got the chance to measure and weigh him ,
    Weight is 155g before poop, 151g post poop
    Length from nose to tip of tail : 350mm
    Lenght from nose to base of tail : 160mm

    I believe he is 14 - 15 months old as I was told his hatch date was March 2019, does this sound right ???
    I have googled an age calculator and his length puts him at 8 months .

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    Here is some pics, dragonlover1 I have seen you mention before that you can tell a healthy dragon by looking at the eye , what is it exactly that your looking for when doing this ???
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